I was at a friend's beach house the other day, and our sons decided they couldn't wait for each other to pee, so they started peeing together.
"Oh," said my friend. "You didn't have him circumcised."
Now, said friend is as blunt and out there as one can be (which I generally appreciate), but perhaps I am a little overly sensitive on this topic. I just don't understand why leaving your son's penis intact is such a major issue.
Before we even conceived, my husband (intact himself) made it plain that were we to have a son, we were not going to circumcise him.
"He'll be different from some of his friends, but with regard to sensation, he'll appreciate it later in life." No biggie for me; I had no opinion one way or the other, and since there was no religious reason to circumcise, why not? When we did find out he was a boy, I didn't think twice. Of course, the little handout the Bradley teacher gave us, with anti-circumcision propaganda on it (supposedly sized to the amount of skin removed during circumcision) reinforced my decision.
"People rationalize this by saying things like 'most boys are circumcised' and 'his nerves aren't developed yet; he won't feel a thing,'" she told us. "But these babies pass out from the pain … whether it's in a hospital (they burn it off) or in a religious rite (sliced off while onlookers nibble hors d'oeuvres), it doesn't matter."
When he was born and remained unsliced, my family went into one of its major panics.
"He'll be ostracized."
"He'll be different from his friends."
"It looks weird."
"Um … smegma."
OK. I realize that there are reasons for circumcision, like cleanliness (if you clean yourself, this should not be a problem, and dad has taught him how to clean his own penis, thanks), or because it is a part of one's religion. I don't buy the "camp follower" viewpoint myself, but if he wants circumcision later, when he's old enough to ask for it, that's OK by me. But for those who feel I am ruining his life by not slicing his foreskin off, hey, take it to the guy who designed the thing.
I am having my second son-and I decided to have them both circumcised for many reasons. My fiance wasn't too keene on the idea because he asked me to consider not doing it with our son (my second). I told him that after what I've seen when working at a derm clinic-I shivered and said no, he's getting snipped. Sure, it may increase sensation-but really, how proven is that? Men have no problems getting 'there' in no time flat, whether or not they have the foreskin. If it is true, in my experience - I'm doing my son's future wives a favor by not making my boys minute men.
My husband is circ'ed and he is against it. My brother is not circ'ed and he is against it. I have a friend who was circ'ed and he just spent a year and a half restoring his foreskin. I am an RN and I am against it. The three pediatricians I work with are against it. The 2 doctors and the midwife I work with are against it.
A boy simply needs to clean himself, just like a girl. A girl's labia puts her at higher risk for all the health problems that a boy can get from a foreskin, but you don't hear many people clamoring to have the labia cut off their newborn daughters. Currently only 55% of newborn boys are being circ'ed in America so your son will be different than about half of his peers either way.
I have assisted hundreds of circumcisions as part of my job. I no longer do for ethical reasons. I now consider newborn circumcision without medical need to be child abuse and a human rights violation. I'm not trying to upset any mothers who have already had it done, just trying to educate those who still have the decision to make. I believe that mothers are doing the best they can with the information they are offered.
Wow, I never thought the entire circumsision issue was this crazy.. When I was pregnant with my first child, I didn't know what sex it was and when the hospital gave me papers to sign whether or not I wanted to circ my baby if it was a boy. With out a thought in my mind I opted for yes, go for it. Thankfully it turned out to be a beautiful little girl. But Now that I am expecting again, and I have had time knowing that infact it is going to be a boy, I started to really question whether or not I should. And if it is really really necessary. I started talking to many moms who have, and some who haven't had their sons circ'd, and I get lots of mixed replys. Even a few horror stories of a circumcisions gone completely wrong.. But after hearing over and over that the baby will be injected with a needle on the tip of his little tiny penis and then cut, as if he were raw poultry. I can't help but think that I should not go through with it. Even if he's an infant, and won't know the difference. It's hurts me just thinking of the type of pain, this little baby, I've been carrying will feel once he makes it to the real world. I don't think that's what I want for my baby to feel for the first few hours of his life. I'm sure he will already be trying hard to adjusting to the outside life. Then having to deal with being altered immediately afterwards, along with feeling intense crazy pain.. No.. No.. My decision is made.. No Way!! It's not for me..
I actually think that this is something that SHOULD be people's business. It's important for people to have all the facts before butchering their child. I have changed people's minds by talking to them about it. A lot of people just assume it's something people still "just do" like they did in the 70's. But that's not true anymore. If you choose to circumcize your child, he is going to be the one who looks "different". Only 10% of Canadians do it anymore, and that 10% is for religious reasons. Your doctor will try to talk you out of it.
I am pro choice, which means NOT that the parents should choose, but that your child should be the one to decide if he wants to be cut or not. Would you remove your child's tonsils of appendix at birth "just in case" they cause problems in the future? Would you give your kid a tattoo or piercing at birth because of the way it looks?
I beg everyone to at least look into it more before making such a permanent decision on your child's behalf. Tragically, I couldn't talk my sister out of it because she is so stubborn. But if I can change even one person's mind here, that's one less butchered child in the world.
I'm not getting my son's cut, if the little thing in my abdomen is a son. His father isn't cut, either. If you're getting infections and whatever from a guy's penis, that's not because he's not cut, it's because he's too stupid to clean himself. *Shrug* honestly, though, as long as people don't harass me about my decision I could care less what they do. I mean, seriously. It's not like this conversation comes up in normal conversation.
My fiance isn't circumcised and we are not circumcising our son. I left the decision up to my fiance because I felt that he was the expert when it came to penises. LOL! The only thing that I was worried about was possibly being teased by his peers but my fiance said that he wasn't ever and I feel that our son should be like his dad. I thought that he also might wonder why he isn't the same as his dad. Alan is very clean and I don't think that it looks ugly...mind you I don't stare a penises all day long. As long as his penis does the trick I really don't care what it looks like. I think it is so funny when people say how ugly uncircumcised penises are. I mean really who concentrates on how a penis looks? I haven't been with a whole lot of guys and Alan is the first I have ever gone down on but still the look of it doesn't bother me one bit. When it's hard it looks the same as a circumcised penis and when it's not hard my man is still sexy as hell! Really anomore I've read that only 40% of boys in the US are circumcised so I think it is sort of a dying thing.
I agree with MrsKDTaylor, me and my brother were both born in Honduras and they didnt offer it in Honduras. My brother was circumcised when he was 10... He claims it was the worst pain EVER he missed schooll for 1 week and a half, and was crying, couldnt sleep, couldnt pee, bathing was a BIG issue, and I felt bad for him... The reason he got circumcised was because he ended up with a really BAD infection due to not being cirsumcised... Soo its your opinion I respect it. so Good Luck...
I have a son and my husband and I chose to get him circumcised when he was born. Just understanding the procedure and talking in great length to my OBGYN (she actually did the procedure) they have pain medications that they gave my son before, during, and after. After the procedure, I put vaseline on him and a tiny gauze square for a few days and that was it. There was no ongoing pain nor meds needed. His father is circed and we didn't think twice about it. I have a cousin who got circed when he was 12 and I personally feel that is one of the worst things you can do to a boy/guy - wait till he's older. For one thing he'll remember it a LOT more and goes through a lot more than when they are infants. If this child we expect in a few months is a boy, we are def having him circed as well.
I have been so surprised by the number of debates on this. Especially in the "he'll be different" remarks. From my personal experience more men I know aren't circumsized than are. My brother never was, my dad isn't (I've asked as an adult ;) ), my husband isn't, and my son won't be. From the stats I've seen online it's 50-50 in Canada - so the "he'll be different from his peers" comments don't apply. In fact, I can't attest for everywhere in Canada, but I know in my city the only hospital that even performs circs is the Jewish General. If you want it done, and give birth anywhere else, then you have to go to an outside source.
I truely believe what my bumper sticker says,"If God wanted me to have a foreskin, I would have been born with one." I am pregnant with my second son and plan to leave him intact as my husband is. My 2 year old already knows how to pull his skin back and clean it. If this gets done, there is NO medical reason to chop off some of your child!!! He was perfect from conception. Why change him?
More Europeans aren't circumcised and they don't have more infections than people in the US per head. How does that reflect against the popular opinion that circumcision makes you somehow cleaner? It would seem to be a myth, similar to the suggestion that women need to douche and use 'intimate fresheners'.
simply put their isnt a right or wrong choice. and a preson should not be judged or critisized for the choice them make. their are pros and cons to each side. for the relgious aspec of the debate here is clarification. in the old testament it was circumcision of the flesh and in the new 1 its circumcision of the heart. uncircumcised males do however have a greater risk of phymosis.
I agree. I wish people would mind their own business. I feel that everyone has a comment about everything you do. As we are well aware of, no matter what we decide it will be wrong. Remember those screaming matches with our parents.
Just do what you think is right for your family and let the comments begin!
... I dated a guy who was, intact.. I got so many infections from him my doctor advised me to stop seeing him altogether. It truly is a personal decision, but if my husband wasn't circed, I would make him get the procedure done now or just plain not sleep with him. I know they're out there, but I personally have never met an intact guy who really knew how to adequately clean himself. Plus, IMO, I like the look of circed better. So, my boys will be circed.. my husband and I have already talked about it and agree totally. With the pain management they have now it's not a big deal. And I look at it this way, do I want to worry about keeping the wound clean for a few weeks, or making sure a little boy is adequately cleaning himself until he's like, 5+? Hmmm... I'm sorry, but like some other mom's on here have mentioned, I have enough to worry about already...
Why does everyone make such a big deal out of it. If you don't want to do it, don't do it... if you do, then do. Who cares. My husband is not, but if i have a boy, I probaby will. I'm not going to get into any long arguments on why one should or shouldn't do it. WHO CARES!!! It's your choice.It's just the norm
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I am having my second son-and I decided to have them both circumcised for many reasons. My fiance wasn't too keene on the idea because he asked me to consider not doing it with our son (my second). I told him that after what I've seen when working at a derm clinic-I shivered and said no, he's getting snipped. Sure, it may increase sensation-but really, how proven is that? Men have no problems getting 'there' in no time flat, whether or not they have the foreskin. If it is true, in my experience - I'm doing my son's future wives a favor by not making my boys minute men.
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My husband is circ'ed and he is against it. My brother is not circ'ed and he is against it. I have a friend who was circ'ed and he just spent a year and a half restoring his foreskin. I am an RN and I am against it. The three pediatricians I work with are against it. The 2 doctors and the midwife I work with are against it.
A boy simply needs to clean himself, just like a girl. A girl's labia puts her at higher risk for all the health problems that a boy can get from a foreskin, but you don't hear many people clamoring to have the labia cut off their newborn daughters. Currently only 55% of newborn boys are being circ'ed in America so your son will be different than about half of his peers either way.
I have assisted hundreds of circumcisions as part of my job. I no longer do for ethical reasons. I now consider newborn circumcision without medical need to be child abuse and a human rights violation. I'm not trying to upset any mothers who have already had it done, just trying to educate those who still have the decision to make. I believe that mothers are doing the best they can with the information they are offered.
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Wow, I never thought the entire circumsision issue was this crazy.. When I was pregnant with my first child, I didn't know what sex it was and when the hospital gave me papers to sign whether or not I wanted to circ my baby if it was a boy. With out a thought in my mind I opted for yes, go for it. Thankfully it turned out to be a beautiful little girl. But Now that I am expecting again, and I have had time knowing that infact it is going to be a boy, I started to really question whether or not I should. And if it is really really necessary. I started talking to many moms who have, and some who haven't had their sons circ'd, and I get lots of mixed replys. Even a few horror stories of a circumcisions gone completely wrong.. But after hearing over and over that the baby will be injected with a needle on the tip of his little tiny penis and then cut, as if he were raw poultry. I can't help but think that I should not go through with it. Even if he's an infant, and won't know the difference. It's hurts me just thinking of the type of pain, this little baby, I've been carrying will feel once he makes it to the real world. I don't think that's what I want for my baby to feel for the first few hours of his life. I'm sure he will already be trying hard to adjusting to the outside life. Then having to deal with being altered immediately afterwards, along with feeling intense crazy pain.. No.. No.. My decision is made.. No Way!! It's not for me..
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I actually think that this is something that SHOULD be people's business. It's important for people to have all the facts before butchering their child. I have changed people's minds by talking to them about it. A lot of people just assume it's something people still "just do" like they did in the 70's. But that's not true anymore. If you choose to circumcize your child, he is going to be the one who looks "different". Only 10% of Canadians do it anymore, and that 10% is for religious reasons. Your doctor will try to talk you out of it.
I am pro choice, which means NOT that the parents should choose, but that your child should be the one to decide if he wants to be cut or not. Would you remove your child's tonsils of appendix at birth "just in case" they cause problems in the future? Would you give your kid a tattoo or piercing at birth because of the way it looks?
I beg everyone to at least look into it more before making such a permanent decision on your child's behalf. Tragically, I couldn't talk my sister out of it because she is so stubborn. But if I can change even one person's mind here, that's one less butchered child in the world.
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I was happy to here that kids can now sue their parents and doctor for mutilating their genitalia.
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I'm not getting my son's cut, if the little thing in my abdomen is a son. His father isn't cut, either. If you're getting infections and whatever from a guy's penis, that's not because he's not cut, it's because he's too stupid to clean himself. *Shrug* honestly, though, as long as people don't harass me about my decision I could care less what they do. I mean, seriously. It's not like this conversation comes up in normal conversation.
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My fiance isn't circumcised and we are not circumcising our son. I left the decision up to my fiance because I felt that he was the expert when it came to penises. LOL! The only thing that I was worried about was possibly being teased by his peers but my fiance said that he wasn't ever and I feel that our son should be like his dad. I thought that he also might wonder why he isn't the same as his dad. Alan is very clean and I don't think that it looks ugly...mind you I don't stare a penises all day long. As long as his penis does the trick I really don't care what it looks like. I think it is so funny when people say how ugly uncircumcised penises are. I mean really who concentrates on how a penis looks? I haven't been with a whole lot of guys and Alan is the first I have ever gone down on but still the look of it doesn't bother me one bit. When it's hard it looks the same as a circumcised penis and when it's not hard my man is still sexy as hell! Really anomore I've read that only 40% of boys in the US are circumcised so I think it is sort of a dying thing.
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I've seen exactly ONE uncircumcised penis in my entire life & it was the creepiest thing EVER. When I have sons they will be circumcised for sure.
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I agree with MrsKDTaylor, me and my brother were both born in Honduras and they didnt offer it in Honduras. My brother was circumcised when he was 10... He claims it was the worst pain EVER he missed schooll for 1 week and a half, and was crying, couldnt sleep, couldnt pee, bathing was a BIG issue, and I felt bad for him... The reason he got circumcised was because he ended up with a really BAD infection due to not being cirsumcised... Soo its your opinion I respect it. so Good Luck...
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I have a son and my husband and I chose to get him circumcised when he was born. Just understanding the procedure and talking in great length to my OBGYN (she actually did the procedure) they have pain medications that they gave my son before, during, and after. After the procedure, I put vaseline on him and a tiny gauze square for a few days and that was it. There was no ongoing pain nor meds needed. His father is circed and we didn't think twice about it. I have a cousin who got circed when he was 12 and I personally feel that is one of the worst things you can do to a boy/guy - wait till he's older. For one thing he'll remember it a LOT more and goes through a lot more than when they are infants. If this child we expect in a few months is a boy, we are def having him circed as well.
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I have been so surprised by the number of debates on this. Especially in the "he'll be different" remarks. From my personal experience more men I know aren't circumsized than are. My brother never was, my dad isn't (I've asked as an adult ;) ), my husband isn't, and my son won't be. From the stats I've seen online it's 50-50 in Canada - so the "he'll be different from his peers" comments don't apply. In fact, I can't attest for everywhere in Canada, but I know in my city the only hospital that even performs circs is the Jewish General. If you want it done, and give birth anywhere else, then you have to go to an outside source.
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